Jacques Rougeau "The Mountie"

Jacques joins us for a very special interview discussing AEW wrestling honoring him and his family this coming Sunday at AEW Redemption July 26th at The Belle Centre in Montreal. He discusses his career as well as tells some funny stories.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey, my name is Jean Rougeau and I'm the Mountie and I'm also fabulous too. And I'm Quebec. And you're listening to Double Axe Handle Smash Podcast.

SPEAKER_06 0:09

Hey John. Josh. You know, not only is it wedding season, but back to school is right around the corner. I think it's really important that everyone have the absolute perfect haircut. Do you know a place where they can go?

SPEAKER_07 0:24

Yeah. I go at an old town barber shop in Summers, Connecticut.

SPEAKER_06 0:27

You mean the one located at 48 South Road, Route 83?

SPEAKER_07 0:31

Yes, it is. And haircuts are only $20 to start.

SPEAKER_06 0:35

And their phone number, if you want to get out and call, 860-604-8949.

SPEAKER_07 0:41

And guess what? Now they have two barbers on duty, no waiting. And they also do beard trims. Yeah, because I went down there the other day, had a fresh new look. They trimmed my beard. They even use a straight razor. I'm all lined up everywhere. My neck is all good and all uh nice and fresh. Uh I hate hair on my neck.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

I just gotta say, I mean, even though it's a very low bar, this is the best you have ever looked. I appreciate that. Thank you. Come on tell Jerry at Old Town Barbershop that double axe handle smashes at you.

SPEAKER_07 1:19

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now. He is handsome. He's brave, he's strong, he's the mounty, and he joins us now for the show. Ladies and gentlemen, Jacques Rouge.

SPEAKER_06 1:33

How are you guys doing? And that is still one hell of a gun, sir. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

For a 66-year-old man, yeah, I'm very proud.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

And every time I message him, he says he's at the gym, so you believe it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Hey, that that defines me, you know, just uh keeps me grounded and uh keeps my self-esteem uh good and all that good stuff that comes with working out.

SPEAKER_07 1:58

So uh normally we'd ask this question uh last, but uh you have something major coming up very soon. Uh please tell us what's coming up. Uh what's what's happening this coming week?

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Absolutely amazing. Uh this Sunday coming up, it's gonna be uh probably one of the greatest days of my life uh so far. Uh and uh at the Bell Center in Montreal, uh there's probably gonna be around 20,000 people, and uh AEW is coming for a pay-per-view called Redemption. And uh and uh I got a call from QT Marshall who uh who wanted me to go and watch the show, and uh and I told QT, well, you know, I don't really follow wrestling anymore, you know, I don't go to shows anymore that much. He says, Well, Jacques, you gotta come to this one. And uh and then I said, Really? He says, Yeah, you and your brother. He says, uh, we'd like to do a tribute to the Rougeau family, the four generations, 80 years of wrestling, and uh, and we're gonna put something up on the giant screen, and then we'd like to introduce you and Raymond in the middle of the ring, and uh, and and and it was like, wow, like, you know, what a relief. Like, you know, what a what a weight off my shoulder. Like, you know, uh, and I was thinking, you know, uh, I haven't spoken to my fans around the world for all these years, and now I get a chance to just tell them thank you, you know, to all the fans to what they gave us and uh they brought to us and they made us. And uh, and you know, so it's gonna be a tribute to the Rougeau family from my my great uncle, uh Eddie Yoger, was the first one in 1946, and then his two nephews came along, which was my father and my uncle, Johnny and Jacques Rougeau, the original Rougeau brothers, and then uh the third generation was uh Raymond, Arma, and myself, the three Rougeot brothers, and then my three sons, the fourth generation, Jean-Jacques, Cedric, and Emile. And uh so so so it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be uh, you know, I used to see these kind of tributes from I'm a big hockey fan. And and and and once in a while at the Bell Center they have a uh a Guy Lafleur or Ivan Cournoye or a big hockey player that comes on the ice, uh Pete Mahavlic, and uh and they just announce him although he hasn't been playing in 20 years or 25 years, and uh and and and and I always I always had goosebumps when I saw something like that. The fans just gave them an ovation for like uh two, three, four minutes, like you know, and just uh and uh and I was like one day, I actually wondered one day if the Rougeau family ever was gonna get something like that, and uh and it's all happening this Sunday thanks to QT Marshall, Tony Khan, and uh so so on. So I'm so grateful and I'm really excited about all this. Yeah, as you should be. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:42

You deserve it. You you and your whole family deserve that honor.

SPEAKER_06 4:46

Yeah, that many generations going through the business. That's in that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Yeah, well, you know, it's like uh 80 years, right? Eight decades of wrestling with the Rougeau family. And uh so I know and and the great thing about all this is that uh uh my my my uncle, my great uncle, my father, they were very implicated in society. They um like my my uncle Johnny was the was the the best of all. He was uh, you know, uh uh the prime minister uh Rani Levik, who was a separatist from Quebec, always wanted to separate from Canada, the province of Quebec, which is the French. And uh and uh my Uncle Johnny was his right-hand man, his bodyguard, and you know, like the prime minister, like you know, and uh like Katy Perry now and Justin Trudeau. But anyway, I'll let my my uncle my uncle Johnny was uh René Levesque's Katy Perry. And uh but uh but but uh but it was amazing, and then my uncle Johnny was also, he had a hockey team, a junior hockey hockey team, which is right underneath the national the National Hockey League. And uh and uh and then out of that uh junior hockey league team that he owned, he became the president of the league. And uh and and and then he also owned in the 60s uh the biggest nightclub in Montreal where Chubby Checker, Tina Turner, they used to come and sing at the Cabaret of Mocambo in Montreal, where where my Uncle Johnny owned that. So he was so my uncle Johnny, he was almost like Simon Cowell, uh what's the guy in the voice there? Simon uh uh Simon Cowell. Simon Cowell. He had I always uh referred to him like you know, he always has his finger in all kinds of pies. But but my my uncle my uncle Johnny was that kind of guy. He was in sports, political, entertainment, he was everywhere. So so we really touched the uh the Quebec population in different ways. And then when you talk about eight generations, like 80 years, then then we have a uh an appartenance, like we say in French, we have a uh a belonging with uh a communication, a connection with the the people here in Quebec. So it's gonna be amazing. I'm um I'm uh I'm I'm very very excited. I must have done about uh just this week, I must have done about uh 20 medias from radio to newspapers to TV to advertising this thing coming up, and uh and now I'm having a few sleepless nights. I'm waking up in the middle of the night where I'm going to get the ovation and I'm tripping, I'm falling on my face, or I'm having the opinion. But uh but I can't wait. It's very exciting.

SPEAKER_07 7:23

Yeah. Um how did you uh uh when when you were getting that phone call, and and I mean it was a phone call, right? So when they called you, right? Uh so when you were talking on the phone, did you right then did you already uh start feeling like the goosebum feeling?

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Or I mean, it was it was like I said, you know, it was like a weight off my shoulder. It was like for me, it was like something that WWE should have done a long time ago. Uh you know, and I'm I'm I'm gonna be humble about it, but but you know, I I I I I I was so upset in the last 10, 20 years at the Hall of Fame because uh because you know, um everybody that we've worked with, whether it was the Rockers, where it was the Hart Foundation, was Tiro Santana and Sengle's big boss man, uh I'm thinking of all the guys that I've worked with, Coco Beware, everybody that I worked with are all in the Hall of Fame. And then I'm looking back and I'm saying, you know, it takes two to tangle in that ring. You know, you can't have a great match with just one guy's great and the other one's an extra. You know, it takes to have a great match, and and we had these feuds for like uh with the Hart Foundation, we had a four-year feud. Like two years we were babyfaces, they were heels, and then Jimmy Hart switched came with us, and we became the fabulous Rougeot brothers with the little American flags, and and uh and then the American boys. And then the Hearts became babyface, and we did another four years, and you know, a lot of things too that I that I was thinking of is um on many, many cards with Hulk, because Hulk for me is always gonna be the biggest hero of my life, and uh, and and uh uh in that era. And uh and every time we were on this card, uh Hulk many times had to leave early during the evening for the next night to go do some promotional events and stuff like that for the next show. So they'd put Hulk on before intermission. And and and guess who they'd put on last? It was the Rougeos with the Hearts, or the Rougeos with the Rogers. Because so they'd put all that weight on our shoulders to finish a show, to carry the weight, and we'd always produce a great, great, great match. You know, and and and and so so so that's why I I believed honestly, you know, I had this falling out with Vince McMahon, and uh, and now it's Triple H his son-in-law that uh that's in charge. So there's a lot of heat between us, and uh, but I always said to myself, you know, someone that goes in the hall of fame shouldn't be by because of his personal relationships, it should be for for his accomplishments. And and and and and uh so so so when this call came in, you know, it was like wow, like you know, last year we got uh we were in the hall of fame in Europe, Europe put us in the hall of fame. It was uh Ben Veel's uh podcast, I don't know if you then, but all the people voted for us to be in the European Hall of Fame, and that was a little weight off our shoulder. And now for AEW to come to Montreal and do it in front of our fans, and and and I know that after they introduced that uh that video, and they introduced me and Raymond, I'm hoping they're gonna give me the microphone in my hand. And not to bash anybody, but just to thank all the fans that supported us. And then I got so many messages, emails, letters, uh just saying, Jacques, you know, hey, listen, uh, you guys deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. You know, and and so I want to just say thank you to all those fans. That's all I want to do. So and we're we're gonna be probably uh on the first hour, like from six to seven, where it's not on the pay-per-view, it's the it's before the pay-per-view.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

And and I asked you T. Marshall when he told me that, you know, he said it's gonna be before the pay-per-view. I said, Ah, darn. I wish it would have been on the pay-per-view. I said, So how many people are gonna see us? He said, Jock, there's more people are gonna see you than the pay-per-view because that part is free. So he says, every so everybody watches that part. Yeah, the zero hour they call it. So so I said, Really? So wow, so now I get to say thank you to all my fans around the world.

SPEAKER_07 11:30

That's good. Yeah, they call that the zero hour. They uh I've watched the AEW pay-per-view several times in uh the the first hour there. They have like a couple matches on there, and it's it that's free. It's it's always nice because sometimes I don't have the money to get it, so I I skip it, but I'll watch the zero hour and I'll get some amazing matches on there.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

So that's awesome. That was good news when QT told me that. That was great news.

SPEAKER_07 11:54

Yeah. How does your brother uh your brother Raymond feel about this too? Uh he doesn't do many interviews.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

My brother Raymond, my my brother Raymond doesn't show very much his emotions, you know, and it was so funny because when I called him and I I told him the news, like, you know, I saw a sparkle in his eye. And I saw something like, wow, Raymond's happy. You know, like you know, like uh and uh so so yeah, I'm sure for him too, it's gonna be a great uh weight off his shoulder. And uh, you know, we listen, I uh I had uh sorry, my nose is itching. I had uh three characters in the WWE, WWF. You know, I had the the Fabulous Rougeot brothers, I had the the Mounty, which was a great character, and then I had the Quebecers, three-time tag team champions, and uh and and and and Raymond, and after our four years together as the Rougeau brothers and Fabulous Rougeau brothers, he gave uh 17 years to the WWE as a voiceover commentary for Europe and for French Canada. And and you know, so so we gave over 30 years of our life to WWE, and we always did it professionally, like you know, with all to the best of our our capacities. And and and so so so that's why we thought it was just not normal that the Rougeau brothers or Rick Martel is not in the Hall of Fame. You know, like uh you talk about uh you talk about a guy like Rick Martel who, wow, like you know, he's accomplished so much also, like you know, so so so uh I don't know if it's prejudiced, I don't know if it's uh uh uh because like I said I had a falling out with Vince and now uh and you know there's a lot of if you guys have been around the business enough that you know that there's a lot of uh uh how can I say that uh haters and a lot of uh bad things that that that that that are followers like you know like they're just uh brown noses and you know, or whatever you want to call them all where they're politics. That's the word that's the word that's the word my brother Raymond would say. Yeah. He'd say there's a lot of politics. I'm a little more anyway. So uh to say that I'm I'm I'm turning my tongue seven times before saying the words I want to say.

SPEAKER_07 14:05

So uh you can say whatever you want on the show.

SPEAKER_03 14:07

No, no, no. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. But anyway, you guys get the message. Like, you know, there's uh like you said, politics. There's a lot of politics, and you know, yeah. So so now you know what this happening, you know, thank the Lord, and and uh and I'm and I'm I feel great now, I really feel great, I feel complete. I feel like you know, now I'm I could go on, and now you ask me how would I feel to be in the WWE Hall of Fame, it would be a plus. But it's not gonna change my life. This is gonna change my life. AEW, a company I've never worked with, and Tony Khan, a guy I never worked with, and he's coming into my city, my province, my country, and honoring our family, that's first class for me.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

Yes, it is very well deserved. So, but going back in time, so because we're gonna, you know, the they're gonna pay you tribute to you and your family. What was it like breaking into the business as a third-generation star?

SPEAKER_03 15:06

It was uh well, there was good and bad. The good is that uh when I in 19 uh seventy-seven, when I called Stu Hart, Brett the Hitman Hart's father, uh in Calgary, um I called him up and and and he knew the Rougeau family out east, you know, in Canada. We were the two biggest families in Canada. There were the Hart's in the West and the Rougeotes in the East of Canada. And uh so the reputation preceded themselves. And uh we knew about them and they knew about us. And uh so when I called Stuhart, he'd never seen me work or nothing, but uh when I got on the phone and I asked him if I could come and work for him, and uh and he asked me, uh, are you uh are you uh are you uh are you uh are you uh uh uh Jacques, Jacques uh Jacques son. And I said, uh yes sir, I am, yes I am. I thought he was ribbing me at the beginning the way he was talking. But then I found out he was always talking like that. And then it took him about an hour to say two words. And then and then I was on a long distance putting quarters in the phone. And uh, but anyway, I'll have to say that he uh but but but then he as soon as I told him I was part of the Jacques and Johnny Rougeot, like you know, the son, uh he says, uh, well, when can you start? And so it opened doors. So being a third generation, being a rougeau helped me a lot, the doors open. However, the expectations were high. So, like, you know, so I had the doors open, but then I had to come in and I had to prove myself. And then and they had seen and heard a lot about the rougeous, so so so that was the other thing. But the the good thing about it, uh I was good at what I did. I wasn't big, I was small, but I was I was a high flyer. I was I was I had a lot of charisma since I started in this business, and uh uh there's no gray zone with me, no no, you know, there's it's black or white, and you know, and it gets transparent when you talk to me, when you meet me. Uh and and uh and it was coming across like that. And uh, and I've been following the business so since so young, I think since the age of five years old. I used to go watch my dad at the Montreal Forum and watching him every week and seeing the wrestlers come at my house, you know, and what the day before the big show and talking about the finish they're gonna do at the Paul Soviet Arena or on Monday night or the Montreal Forum. So I met Joel Laduc, Abdullah the Butcher when I was four or five years old. These guys coming at my house and and I and I start imitating them around the pool and you know and having fun, just needing of attention and and just had the showmanship in me that had to come out. And uh so so so so for me it came easy. Um so so the doors were opened a lot, but when I came in, so to give you an example, Raymond came in in 1972. We started in 72, I started in 77, but my other brother, Armand, he started in 79. And Armand, it wasn't his passion, it was his second job. Armand was a mechanic and finally the garage closed where he was working at, so we convinced him to be a wrestler. But it wasn't his passion. So he had a big mandate because he had to follow Raymond, he had to follow me, which we were passionate about what we're doing, and when he came in, he also realized that all the doors were opening, but when he got in the ring, it was a different story. Like, you know, he he wasn't as talented, you know, like he not because he couldn't have been, it's just that it wasn't his passion. And I always say to people, you know, you're only as good as your passion. You know, if you because somebody who's passionate about something in any kind of line of work, if you give the time a day, you're gonna become good at it. So, so so so for me it worked very well because doors were opening and I was coming in full speed and I was taking every opportunity and creating some more. Uh, because when I go in a territory from when I was in Calgary, then a door opened up in Mexico, and then I went to Mexico, and then I went to Kansas City, and then I went to Knoxville, and then I went to Atlanta, and then I went to, and everyone, and when I went to Atlanta, that was amazing because I fell I fell in the good the good grace of Ole Anderson and Ronnie West was a referee then, and uh they were they they loved me to death. I was the biggest jobber that existed in the territory, but I was doing jobs for everybody, but but they kept me for a year and a half doing jobs. And then the good thing about that is every time I'd go work with some great talent like Ric Flair and stuff like that on TBS, well, I was seen across the country from Boston to Los Angeles because TBS was seen nationwide. Uh so across the country. So that opened so many doors. Then there came a time where I couldn't fulfill all the engagements that were sent to me. And uh and like I said, Oldie liked me so much, he always went to see the talent and said, Hey guys, you know, you're gonna take it here and this guy here, but but make him look good, make him look good. So I'd look good during the match, and then I'd get beat. And uh so so so that opened a lot of doors for me, and eventually uh Robert Fuller in Pensacola, uh, that's where I had my first big break. Uh uh he he he fell in love with me big time, and then then he had Joe Le Duke there at the same time with uh in Pensacola, Florida, it was a great territory. And I won my first heavyweight championship against Joe Laduke. And then I started getting in the scenarios and the storylines, and then I started, whoa, then I started in '82, '83, I started growing in the business now. It was like I'd started in 77, paid my dues, and now in 82, 83, here I am, whoop headlining sometimes, and just underneath the main event, and uh, and and then in 85, that's when I had the big break in WWE and WWF.

SPEAKER_07 20:39

Uh a quick follow-up question for what you said before. Uh, when you went to Calgary to uh visit uh old Stu, did uh he take you down to the dungeon and stretch you out at all and try you out?

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Absolutely not. He tried. He definitely tried, but you know, I always had somewhere to go or an excuse. And uh and it's so funny because I thought he liked me a lot because uh he invited me over every Sunday to go out and brunch at his house with the 25 cats and uh 20 kids. But but but uh but but then I realized after that every time we finished a meal, he he'd asked me to go downstairs to the basement and I couldn't go because I'd heard so many stories about it, and then uh and me not being a shooter in life and a real fighter in life, I'm an entertainer. I kind of stayed away from there. And uh but uh yeah, heard many, many stories. I guess you have too, huh?

SPEAKER_07 21:31

Oh yeah, read a lot of books too. Yeah, read a lot of books. Um moving on to the WWE, uh when you first got in there, uh uh Bret Hart, uh they're already already there, right? The Hearts uh Yeah. Yep. When when you first went in the WWE and uh you got there and the Hearts were there and everybody, uh I mean, did they did they help were they there first before you were there? And then they help uh because they knew you Did they help protect you and show you, you know, like the the ins and outs?

SPEAKER_03 22:04

No, I think it was no, I think it was uh it was no, everybody was out for themselves, and it was like there was and it was a I was in an era where the tag team was so strong. Like, you know, there were so many good teams. The island, there's the bulldogs, the the Axe and Smash Demolition, there was uh uh the killer bees, there was uh, you know, the it was a it was a tag team uh era where the uh the the I'm trying to think of all the teams that were there. It's it's it was amazing. It was I think there was like we had actually one pay-per-view, I think there was 10 teams in the one match. Like, you know, so so it was a very competitive time, and and and you gotta keep in mind there was a lot of money involved, not like today, but there was a lot of money compared to the small territories you were before going to WWF. And uh so you just upgraded. So you gotta remember that uh uh in the business people make a lot of friends between the boys. And uh so if you have two new guys that come in the territory, well you gotta remember that there's two guys that are already there that gotta be put on the shelf. So it's like, you know, so every time someone comes in, someone's going out. You know, so so so it was a it was a doggy dog world, you know, and uh and and and and the hearts and everybody had their own friends already, you know. So so when we came in, there was no question of uh we had to prove ourselves and we had to make our way uh and to win the people and win the promoter, and and and and it was a it was a constant battle. And uh and and there was a lot of uh there was a lot of uh backstabbing too in those days. Like, you know, there was a lot of teams that everybody, you know, everybody was pretty much so diplomat. Hi Jacques, how you doing, Raymond? Nice to see you, glad you're here. And then then you'd turn your back, and there'd be those uh whispers. Yeah, those whispers. You know, so it was a but like I said, you know, you had to fight your way, and Raymond and I, we did that. We we came in and we we made our place. We we won our place not by uh brown nosing or or anything like that. We made it by working hard. And when we Raymond and I, we were we were good workers. We had been together for many, many years in the in in Quebec and Montreal, and uh breaking all kinds of records against the Garvin brothers and Pat Patterson and uh Pierre Lafavre and Frenchie Martin. And we had a lot of local talent that we worked with and and we did so well. And uh, and as you know, Vince, he went, he was a smart one. He went to uh he went to get all the uh the best talent around the world. He recruited the best talent when he created WWF. So so no, so it was uh it was a hard-working territory, uh, and and mostly the hardest thing was the travel, I'm sure everybody told you, it was like 25 days a month, and it was like traveling in our suitcases and uh and then sometimes double shots on Sunday, and uh you know it was uh it was hard. And and a lot of people told us in those days, wow, you guys are so lucky, you're traveling around the world. Yeah. Try a six-hour flight with a guy's uh with a guy that's 300 pounds beside you and coach, and uh and try it with a guy, and try with a guy that washes once a week and sitting beside you on a six-hour flight. And uh or try going to somewhere where you land and they lost your luggage, you know. And uh there's so many things people don't know. And uh, and and then once you landed after a five, six hour flight, because every day we're changing countries, uh changing cities, uh changing provinces, and uh and there was time change, there was jet lags, there was delays, airplane cancellations, there was it was so hard. And uh, but we stuck together, everybody. We uh we we kind of helped each other through that, everybody, you know, to look at each other. And it was so many times, it's funny, between the boys, we'd look at uh we'd look we'd look at each other, you know, go through through situations of traveling and stuff like that, and we'd be like, Jesus, like you know, you believe this? Like, you know, and then I remember flying 37 hours and getting off the plane in uh Sydney, Australia, and and uh or Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia, and and four hours later being in the ring, you know, after traveling 37 hours, you know, and and uh so but people didn't see that side. But uh but it was very, very hard demanding, and then you had three days off, you know, uh a month, just about three days off, and then you you you could finish like in Hawaii, and you know, you're in Montreal, so you could count your first day off gone when you finish traveling and getting home. And then if you'd start back in Los Angeles or somewhere else, you you could count your last day off gone. So, you know, so so uh people have no idea how hard and how dedicated we were, everybody, all the talent to make this happen.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

Yeah, when you went to places like that, you didn't really get the time to enjoy the actual city, uh, such as going to Hawaii or something. No, no.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

Didn't go surfing in Hawaii, I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_07 27:07

Uh real quick, uh at this time though, who was your uh when your your besides your brother, who was your uh like right-alon partner or your you know hotel partner, who would you pair up with a lot of the time driving with the case?

SPEAKER_03 27:21

I only paired up with I only paired up with Carlette as a Cobec because I had brought him in as my partner.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

And uh so he was like my little uh my little pet project with me. So I took so I took care of him. But apart from that, I always drove alone. When I was a mounty, when I was yeah, I uh rented my own cars, I was very solid there because you know it was uh how can I say that? The only reasons why I paired up with my brother Raymond all the time and with uh Carl and all by myself all the time is because I I was a little different. Uh and if you talk to the wrestlers, they'll tell you, Jacques was a little different. Uh well I I I didn't go out in bars. I uh I didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I didn't do drugs. I uh I uh I was very uh dedicated and uh get up in the morning at uh five o'clock in the morning, go to the gym, and then go catch my flight, and uh or I'd go catch my flight at five in the morning, land at 11 o'clock, 12, and go to the gym, and uh and uh and then after the show I'd go to sleep because I knew the next morning I only had like four or five hours of sleep. So but but uh I was always on time. There was no question of me being late. Never, never. And uh out of the 10 years that I was there, I was never late. And uh, but a lot of the guys sometimes they took it a little lighter, the the business. Like, you know, after the show they were looking for uh uh the clubs, nightclubs, and uh different things and uh different things to anyway to do, and uh and anyway, I'm not gonna go into details, but anyway, I'll let to say that my different lifestyle uh made it that I I needed to travel on my own. I needed to be with someone that was like me or travel on my own. So uh yeah, and it's so funny because uh um the majority of the majority of the talent, you know, I'm I'm I except I'm thinking of guys like Tito Santana and uh and and uh I always think of Tito and I always think of Jimmy Hart, and I always think of there's a couple of guys that were like me, you know, and uh the and Rick Martel and uh and and that that they were just so dedicated to the business, like you know, no no no messing around, no nothing, going right to bed and going like and and so so it made it hard, made it hard to uh to uh to team up with somebody on traveling, like you know, and and you know, sometimes, you know, uh also uh to be honest with you, um I don't eat the same things people eat. I don't need the same time people eat. I don't uh so so uh so um so when you're on the road like that, yeah, I I I I would rather pay my own car by myself and my own hotel by myself, but have my own schedule.

SPEAKER_06 29:57

And then uh I have to ask you this. March of 87, WrestleMania 3. I'll never forget as a fan watching that on TV when they cut to that crowd. It and it's just in it's and it's just packed. What was it like to perform in front of that crowd that night against the dream team?

SPEAKER_03 30:25

It was amazing. It was amazing. It was uh it was like it was new, it was just something new. It was like uh Andrew the Dryant against Hulk Hogan. They they they build it so big at Pontiac Silverdome, and uh and I remember getting there early, you know. Uh we were there like I think a day before that doing promotional things and uh for the company. And uh I remember getting to the building uh the Pontiac Silverdome early, and I remember my brother Raymond saying, Hey, let's let's let's take a walk and go to the top, like just uh to go see what it looks like. 93,000 people is just to go look with empty seats there before the show happened, and and uh and and you know, and and you couldn't see you could barely see the ring, to be honest with you. Thank God there were so many giant screens everywhere because now I think the people that were there they weren't there to see the the ones in the rafters up there, they they didn't they could hardly see the matches. It's uh they were there just to participate in this event, to be able to say they were part of this event. And uh and I remember it's funny because uh I remember starting to dress up in the dressing room and putting my boots now. Now I'm a 10-year veteran by then. I'm I I uh I'm not a young pup anymore that's coming in the dressing room. You know, I've been around, I've been so many territories, I've been around the world, and uh I remember tying my boots and I my my my my foot was going like this. Look at this, John. My boot was going like that. I was trying to put my laces through my boots, and and and my and my and my my my throat was so dry. I don't know if you ever lived that being so stressed out and nervous that you don't have any more saliva in your mouth. Yes, you know, and and and that's how I was before going out there to that match, and uh and and um it was something absolutely that you could never sure uh explain to someone who's never got put on that pressure because we knew it was seen worldwide, you know, and it's and then again it reminded me, because I love music, it reminds you of the voice, you know, and when I see that that's why I love the voice so much, because the talent goes out on stage, and then it's you make it or break it. Like, you know, if you go out there and you screw up, you everybody's gonna laugh at you for the rest of your life, you know, around the world. And but if you make it, everybody's gonna love you and you're gonna become a superstar. Like, you know, so it's make it or break it. So I knew by going out there in front of 93,000 people, and and so many countries around the world seen this live event, including my hometown. You know, I I it was very stressful because it was like uh you better do good. And I knew that I had to do my my my my bomb off the top rope there, like you know, my ass bump in the face of Greg the Hammer Valentine, you know, and uh and Raymond had to pick him up, and I knew that that jump I had to do there was it became very stressful because you know you you're doing one of the greatest moves, you know, in the business in those days, one of the high-flying moves in those days that are dangerous, and and and you're in a you're in that split second, you're gonna either woo the crowd or you're gonna people are gonna laugh at you for falling on your face or whatever. And uh so so it was very, very stressful. It was it was an amazing time, and thank God that we uh pulled through and we survived. And I can't I I can't uh I I I I remember just going back to the dressing room after and just like after the match, like we did it, like you know, we did it. We didn't look like idiots, you know, and then uh and and then uh so so so it was uh it was an amazing time and it was the beginning of an era. That day was at the beginning of something new. That's when uh that's when uh people from all parts of sports entertainment started watching wrestling. You know, they they they they just start, they they looked at wrestling and and they gave that that show gave credibility to wrestling. So hats off to Vince McMahon and Hulk and and and all the people involved to creating that show. It's uh me being a promoter for 20-some years, I could tell you that uh they accomplished something absolutely uh unexplainable, phenomenal.

SPEAKER_06 34:44

Well, so something else you touched upon earlier was how how deep that tag division was in the 1980s. Like if you watch Survivor Series 1987 and 1988 when they do the all tag teams match, it is just a murderer's row of talent. Is there a particular like a particular team or two that you really just loved working with during that time?

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Yep, absolutely. The two best teams for us that we were married to that we really enjoyed was uh the Rockers and uh and I I love so much Marty Gennetti. Marty's so underrated Marty Giannetti. He's you know, he's such a great talent. Holy mackerel. Why is he not in the Hall of Fame? I don't understand. Um he is one of he reminds me of a guy called Bobby Eaton. I don't know if you ever heard of a guy. Oh, we know.

SPEAKER_06 35:35

I love me some Bobby Eaton.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

He he used to work with me in the smaller territories for Nick Goulis and for those in Dashville and he was such a great worker, and Marty Giannetti came from that kind of wrestling. And uh so and Shawn Michaels will uh you know it speaks for itself. So, you know what great talent and the matches we had with them and then the Hart Foundation. Although Jim D'Anvil Nider was not as as uh not as a great wrestler, I would say, he was very charismatic. He was he had a lot of charisma. He we married his we married him to his his role, like you know, being the big bully, you know, and the big uh and then and and so so after working four years with him, you know, we worked so many, so we became fun. At the beginning we were it was a little rough because he was he was rough on the edges, like you know, he wasn't very smooth as a wrestler, you know, he wasn't the class of uh uh of Brett or Shawn Michaels or Marty Giannetti, but but but we we calmed him down, you know, and when when we we kind of took him and we said, hey, this do this and do this and this is fine and do this and and and and things smoothen out. And then at the very end, the Hart Foundation against the Rougeau brothers, we had some matches. Oh, the Macro we'd tear the house down where it was in Madison Square Garden, wherever. We'd always had the 20,000 people on their feet, and uh so those two teams I would say are the two teams that I had the most fun uh working with, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:06

So all right, so you come in as babyfaces, and then slowly though you start transitioning on over. You know, where where you started doing the we're going to be relocating to the United States and everything. So, what was it like going heel? Like, was that something you guys pitched? Was it something that was pitched to you?

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Yeah, it was pitched to us, it was Vince. You know what happened is uh it's so funny because for two years, Raymond and I we'd come in, and as soon as they'd announce us from Montreal, Quebec, people would be like there was no yeah, it was more like okay, we'll be polite. And uh and then as the match went along, we'd work so hard and and we'd get them whether they liked it or not, we'd we'd we'd wrap them up in our work, and by the end of the match, it was like yes, so we had to work and win them every night. But then the funniest thing is we'd come back to the same town two months later, and it was like and then we had to win them over again. And every time we went back, we had to win them over again, but we'd always win them by the end of the match. They'd love us, they were up on their feet. So I guess we realized, I guess Vince realized that this is not gonna happen. So so so then Vince came up to us with Pat Patterson and and had this idea of turning us heels, and we like we were like, whoa, never been heels before, like no, not in front of our hometown and being on TV and everything like that. It was like, well, give us a give us a few days to think about it. So we told Vince. And then finally we came back and then and and we saw that there was really no avenue for us to become world tag team champions as baby faces. There was no chances. So so we said that and Pat had told us that, like, you know, you guys want a reign with the belts, yeah, you're gonna have to do it as heels. And uh so so so so we turned heels. And and it was funny because it didn't take us two weeks, and we were into hi, I'm John, and I'm Raymond. What a fabulous Russo, brother! We're moving to Memphis, Tennessee, and we're all American boys now. And you know, and and and and and then before you know it, it's like we're we'd like to wish you uh uh a great memorial day when it was Independence Day, or it was another and and and and and and and we love the United States, and we have this little teeny little flag that was and and uh and yeah, we we naturally knew how to get heat. And uh and and it was so funny because then it was different. Then we'd hit the arena as soon as they announced us, they would boo us out of there, like the building. Like, you know, we had so much heat with them, and uh when Jimmy Hart joined us and everything. So from that and from that time on, you know, it was uh I I think from that time uh we we became unforgettable after that, you know. From from then on, the fabulous Rougeau brothers had a great, great, great part. Um it's your turn, John. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Josh is giving you the goose there. Like, come on, wake up.

SPEAKER_07 40:21

What was it like working with Jimmy Hart? And and was he just uh on-air manager, or was he actually like did he help you out on the road at all?

SPEAKER_03 40:33

You just hit the you just hit it right on the nose, my friend. Jimmy Hart, what a great question. So it took you time to ask me, that's good. But now you ask me, I'm gonna answer it to you. Jimmy Hart was the greatest manager of all time, and I'm telling you right now, I was there for 10 years. There's not one manager that was as good as him. And I will tell you why. There's so many reasons why he's the goat for me. He is the best manager of all times. The guy, the guy didn't drink, didn't smoke.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

He didn't go out in nightclubs. The guy was on time. He had a 12-30 interview, he was there at 12. Um The guy would buy suits and dress up, make suits like the same costumes as his characters. The guy would take a microphone, and as soon as the microphone fell in his hand, he was saying, Well, let me tell you something, let me tell you something about my man. Let me tell you something about my man. It was never like I'm the smartest, or I'm the brain, or I'm this, or I'm that. It was always his man. He was always putting the heat on his talent. Jimmy Hart created two of the most iconic songs, you know, in the business for the Rougeau family. Well, we're in the top ten. We got I got two songs in the top ten. You know, and then and Jimmy Hart was the creator of all that. You know, so so so Jimmy Hart, you'd talk to him, you'd have family problems outside of the business. You'd go sit down with him, he would give you advice, he would listen to you, he was kind to everybody. He was, you know, I've never, never, never heard anybody in the business say something bad about Jimmy Hart. And and so, so, so on all aspects, on all points, Jimmy Hart. And you know what? When I when I came back as the mounty, actually, after the fabulous Rougeot brothers, Vince called me up to offer me this gimmick as a mounty. And uh and I told him two conditions. I said, the first condition, I want to have Jimmy Hart as my manager again. That was my first condition. I was coming back as the mounty. And the second one is that I can be able to bring an electric shock state. I wanted to bring a cattle prod. And that was my condition. And then and and and so so Vince says, You got it. So so so that's how great Jimmy Hart was.

SPEAKER_07 42:56

Actually, that was my next question. I was gonna ask how the mounty was pitched to you. Um is there any fur anything further we could say about that?

SPEAKER_03 43:07

Well, Vince Vince had a great idea. He had the American uh uh cop, and he wanted a he wanted to create uh once again, uh almost like Axel Jim Duggan and the Iron Cheek, you know, the nationalities always draw. Anything against the Americans, you know, if it's well done, it's gonna draw. And so, what a better way to have a Canadian cop and an American cop go at it. Like, you know, so so so Vince had the great idea, and uh and so he called me up, and uh, and and Vince uh Vince had so much respect for for for my work. Um and and and so so so he called me up and he he he wanted to do this. And uh and uh so so yeah, and uh and it's so funny because before you asked me, uh I finished my character as the mounty and uh took another year off. And uh and and I I I met uh Carl Wallette in Puerto Rico. Uh he was in the Independence scene, and then he came to see me on the beach. He's a French Canadian. And uh so I'm in Puerto Rico, and this French Canadian guy comes to me. He says, uh, hey Jacques, uh, bonjour, je m'appelle Carl Wallet. And uh I said, Oh, how are you doing, Carl? He said uh from Montreal. He says, Yeah. He said, Jacques, he says, I don't want to bother you. He said, I was against Abdullah that night in the main event, and and and he was in the first match. And he told me, he says, I just want to ask you a favor. He says, Well, can you watch my match? That's all I want you to do. Can you just please watch my match? I said, sure, as a fellow French Canadian, sure, I'll give him some advice. You know, I'll I'll watch his match, you know, and uh and I was happy to do it. And when I saw his match, I couldn't believe what I saw. You know, the suicide moves that he did and the and the bouncing around the cement floor like he was a gumby. Like, you know, like uh, and I was like, holy mackerel. And then my my my I started thinking in my mind, like, you know, hey, with the way I talk and the way I direct things in the ring and the way he bumps, we could we could make a hell of a team. So so I so I remember him coming to see me after the match, and and he said uh that was in the middle of the show because I was on last. So he came to see me, he said, Do you have a chance to see my match? I said, Yeah, I did. I said he says, Well, Jacques, he says uh uh I've been trying to send tapes for 10 years to WWF and they're never answering me back. So I said, Well, I'm gonna answer your prayers, my friend, because I'm gonna call Vince and I'm gonna ask him if I could come back as a team with you. He says, No. I said, Yeah, I'm gonna ask him, I I think I got an idea. I think you and me could do really well together as French Canadians. And I and then he says, I don't believe you're gonna believe. I said, No, I'll call you next week. Give me your number. So, so so next week I called him, and in between I called Vince. I said, Vince, I said, uh, I think I found my new partner. And he says, Really? I said, yes. He said, Who is he? I said, Don't worry about it. I said, I'll uh I said, I I I I said I'll I'll I'll I'll get something together to you and I'll send you some something. So about three, four months, five months after setting up a ring in my backyard and practicing all these different crazy moves that we were doing, and uh, I send him a tape. And then he says, You guys are coming starting in September. So I called Carl up and said, We're starting in September. So the first match we had against the Steiners, we became world tag team champions on a row. The first night we were we wrestled. So you talk about a dream, you know, for for Carlette, who came to see me on the beach in Puerto Rico, and then eight months later he's world tag team champion, you know. So uh, so yeah, so so that's how that happened.

SPEAKER_07 46:30

Uh, how'd you go from um uh singing the song I am the mounty to when you're in the Quebecers, we're not the Mounties?

SPEAKER_03 46:39

Well that was uh that was a wink, that was a little wink there at the uh Royal Canadian Mountain Police who took a law uh uh an injunction against WWF, and that's why my character, the Mounty, got disappeared really fast, because they I wasn't allowed to wrestle on Canadian TV anymore because I was such a bad image for the Canadian uh and I never understood that part because you know you you have so many movies where you have crooked cops and you know and things like that, and so we're entertainment, like you know, and uh but the Royal Canadian Mounted Police they were high on their horses, I guess you could say that. And uh and and so so they the the big the the big big top uh guns and uh they they just send an injunction and said we don't want to see that character on TV anymore in Canada. So they banned me from wrestling in Canada. But the problem was is all the TV tapings that were done in Japan and Australia around the world, they were taped in the United States. And they were only doing one taping, but they were sending it to all the countries. So now, since I couldn't wrestle in Canada, they they couldn't put me on TV anymore as the Mounty. So, so so so that so that's what they so I was going to wrestle on Jacques Rougeau sometimes, like you know, the shore of the sleeves. I had to take all the logos off, and so my heat dropped and and uh and uh and all that, so that the character disappeared. So when we came back, he he he actually suggested us that we dress up the same way, but you guys are not the mounties, you know. So he wanted to just kick the mounties in the rear end a little bit to give them a receipt for uh so so that's where that came from, I guess.

SPEAKER_07 48:13

Can we get you to sing the song? No, you can't.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

But um, I don't have a voice. Uh the mountain, I'm handsome, I'm brave, I'm strong. You can try to run, but you can never hide, cause the mounty always just bad.

SPEAKER_07 48:40

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 48:41

Thank you. So yeah, so they paired you off as as the corrupt cop against the good cop. So you had your feud with the big boss man, culminates in the big match at SummerSlam, which then leads to one of my favorite things, which is you having to go to jail. And to anyone watching this, go out onto YouTube because on the WWE Vault channel, they actually dropped just the footage of you being sent to prison that night. Okay, what was it like to film that?

SPEAKER_03 49:17

It was amazing. You know, it was amazing because you know, in this uh in this time, in this uh storyline, you always have hope that your character is gonna last. It's gonna keep the heat, you're gonna be involved in a new storyline, or there's always a future, something bigger coming up. And when we build this up to go to the Madison Square Gardens, and the loser had to go to jail that night, in my in the back of my mind, I always hoped that I was gonna win that match. Like, you know, I said what a great ex what a great exposure. Somehow we're Jimmy Hart, we we'd we'd screw the big boss man somehow. And uh and up till that uh that that night, the night before, Pat Patterson called me at the hotel the night before of the show and he says, Jacques, he says uh tomorrow morning we're gonna need you at the New York precinct. He says, uh, we'd like to do some pre-tapes. And that hit me like a ton of bricks. Like that doesn't look good for me. And I say, if I'm gonna do pre-tapes in the jail in the cell, it doesn't look good for me winning this match. And uh so uh but but but going there the the the the the next morning the day of the show and and doing all these vignettes and all these things that they you know that it was funny it was a Jean Fouchot night in Madison Square Garden. It was uh there was two main events that night. There was Hulkan and there was our match that were really the main events of the show, the build-up, the blow-offs, and uh and it's so funny because when I got in the dressing room on the second match, I think, I was on the second match out of nine matches, and I couldn't believe it. I said, Jesus. I I I should have been a main event, and uh, but I didn't realize what they were doing. And the only reason why they put me in the second match is because after that you had mean Jean and then Jesse the Body Ventura, the people that had going like after every match, well, you know, mean Jean, let's go back to the New York priest and see how that mounty's doing. And then they put the guy in screen, and then they so the whole night they kept coming back to the precinct and building this story till I'll wait until I get thrown in with this uh this uh funny guy. But anyway, uh but anyway, but it was like uh I I realized that night that that night belonged to Jacques Rougeau, you know, like that that night belonged to me. Just that night is deserving to be in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_06 51:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

That that that that whole match that was I you know I won Comic Con 35 years later, and uh and it's so funny. I'm telling you, uh if there's 2,000 people that come see me in a Comic Con in four hours, uh they they come up to me and the first thing they do is they sing my song like I just did, or they tell me uh that was so funny when you went to jail. You know, that and and and just people remember that. It was like iconic. And uh yeah, so it was a great, great, great character, a great time. Big boss man, one of the nicest persons in the business. Uh so nice outside the ring. I got along with him so good. We go across around the world working with each other, and we knew it was a night off every time we got in. He was the biggest man I'd worked with that could take my body and put it in a position where I never get hurt. I give him my body night after night after night, and uh, and and it was such a pleasure working with that.

SPEAKER_07 52:56

I was just gonna actually ask you about Big Boss Man, so that you answered my question. So that was great.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

Uh I'm missing you up there, ain't I, Don?

SPEAKER_07 53:06

We're we're doing we're doing really well here. Yeah. Yeah. So I was gonna ask you about Roddy Piper uh working with him during the intercontinental title match, because I'm sure you asked him to death probably about that.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

But um Yeah, he's he wasn't an easy guy to work with. He was or wasn't he uh because he was going 100 miles an hour all the time, he'd never sell. And uh so so you had to have a great, great, great cardio to work with him. You there wasn't like uh less is more with him. It wasn't like where I like the interaction with the crowd, to have the heel and the uh the the the baby face selling in the middle of the ring, and then you could have time to interact with the crowd and get the crowd going. There was never that time with him because he'd never stay down more than two seconds. So, so so that's why I didn't like, but as far as a person, the greatest guy in the world, yeah, nicest person in the dressing room, nicest guy, so classy. Uh so it was just a matter of conflict of interest when we were working.

SPEAKER_06 54:02

One question I had meant to ask, and I and I just didn't get a chance. In the kip-up competition that you would challenge guys to do, and then you just put the boots to them. Was that your idea?

SPEAKER_03 54:15

Yeah, definitely was.

SPEAKER_06 54:17

I loved that.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

I enjoyed that spot.

SPEAKER_06 54:20

That clip, clips of you doing that to various people make the rounds on social media all the time.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Really?

SPEAKER_06 54:28

Yes. No, that it that is a that is a reel that goes around Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, new name people have watched that. So awesome.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

I think I I think I think in those days we had a lot of uh a lot of character. Like it wasn't like a hundred miles an hour, a hundred moves in ten minutes. It was like ten moves. But but time and space between every move and and time to let the people react. And there was a lot of characters, like you know, where personalities were coming through more than moves. Today, I think for what I hear and what I see, there's a lot of moves, but the the characters are almost all alike, like you know, everybody's just about the same. There's no uh Axel Jim Duggan or Jake the Snake or Macho Man or different characters that it seems like what I'm hearing is there's a lot of people that blend in the same kind of looks, the same kind of so so we were lucky. We were in a great era where where uh the business was fun. Apart from the traveling and the whole things on the outside the that was going on, our business was fun. You know, like uh the working with the guys.

SPEAKER_07 55:41

Um I'd like to ask you about winning the tag and titles with Pierre, uh Carl Collette. Uh you you were teamed up with Johnny Polo, uh aka Raven, aka uh Scotty, uh Scott Levy. Um how was uh working with uh Scott Levy?

SPEAKER_03 56:02

You know, he was he he was a great worker, I guess, in his own kind. Uh I never had I never had this connection with this guy because of everything else around that was out of the business. Apart he had this lifestyle that was a little too wild for me.

SPEAKER_07 56:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

And it was like so, so I I I it wasn't like Jimmy Hart. Jimmy Hart, I'd land in London and we'd go in the underground and we'd go find some bootlegging stores or we'd buy some stuff, and you know, and we we we worked, we shopped together, we traveled together, we listened to the same music, and I had this complicity with Jimmy. With Johnny Polo, I never had that. Right. I uh so so so it was business, business, and that was it. Like, you know, so uh yeah. I can't tell I I you know I I I I I'm I'm not gonna say anything bad about him.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

No.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

But apart from his work, like he worked well, you know. I think he worked well. I don't have anything good to say about him. Like, you know, it's just it was like uh I I I don't really know the guy. I knew him when he came to the dressing room and that was it, and we did our thing and we worked together and uh we worked good together, you know, and uh but it stopped there. There was no personal relationship with me and him.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

How about working with the Steiners that that night you won the tag team titles? Uh any memories of uh working with Rick and Scott?

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, I gotta tell you, a lot of barking that night. When when when Vince told them they were gonna drop the belt. Woo! Well that was uh that was something. And uh they never they never took it really good, to be honest with you. They uh they even tried to rib me down the road, you know, and try to uh to get some heat on me to to cause me some problems with some boys and uh and uh yeah, so that's it that's happened before, hasn't it? That that that yeah, that back part on them though. Yeah, but uh it's like uh yeah they never they never took that one. They never understood why it happened. And uh you know, some of the characters, it's so funny because that's one thing through all the years. Um so many guys are like I was saying, Tiro and Coco, a lot of guys that were so down to earth. And some other guys, they would believe so much in their character. Like, you know, they they they thought they became the characters that they were, and and and and that caused a lot of conflict because uh with me, because when I spoke, like I said, there's no gray zone, and you know, and and uh and uh so so uh I always said what was on my mind. And uh so a lot of a lot of guys that uh that that I didn't like the way things happened or went along, I I would say it. I would I would say it out loud. And uh I was the I was one of the guys that had the most heat, I think, in the business in the dressing room, uh because I always spoke my mind. I uh I I remember one time Beefcake. Beefcake was in the dressing room one time, and he went to see Pat Patterson, and he said uh he said, because I was speaking French with Raymond and Martel, because we're speaking in our native language, or that's fluent, like it's so easy for us to speak French, and and Beefcake went to see the agent. He says, Hey, I think it was Pat Patterson, he said, Hey, tell the guys to stop speaking French. And uh like, you know, problem, and and uh and I turn around and I said my piece to him, like you know, and then and then uh that had a lot of heat, but uh but I they never asked Tito Santana to stop speaking Spanish to Pedro Morales or or you know, and I didn't understand nothing what they were saying, but I but I but but people who think that you're talking bad about them in another language, it's probably because they have personal issues, you know, that that that that uh they have to work out themselves. Because uh when I saw a guy speaking a different language, I never thought they were spy speaking bad about me. I just thought it was easier for them to speak in their own language, you know, and then it was easy to communicate. So so I'll have to say that uh uh yeah, I I had a lot of heat with a lot of guys, and sometimes, you know, I I I sometimes I could have turned my tongue seven times before speaking. I was very outgoing. I uh and and and I I I realized that over the years, you know. But I uh I got better in time, you know, like everybody else, you know, you you you learn from your mistakes and you try to make it better, but I'll never be perfect, let's put it that way, but at least I'll try to be better than what I was. Makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:42

All right, so after you wrapped up your time in WWE, uh you moved you did move on to WCW uh with your partner. Any memories of being in WCW at that time?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:55

Yeah, a guy called Eric Bischoff, we didn't hit it off at all because uh, you know, it's always been at the right place at the right time. And and and we were coming in as and the reasons why we went in there is because of that deal I got for them in Montreal. Uh it was very simple, it was political, and that's why we came in because uh what happened is uh Vince McMahon had the exclusivity in the Bell Center at the at the at the at the Molson Center at the time, and um it had a different name, it was the Molson Center, and um today the Bell Center where the Montreal Canadians play hockey, and they had the exclusivity on the building, so WCW couldn't come to Montreal. But I called uh Eric Bischoff and Hulk. I was friends with Hulk, and I uh so I told him, I said, Hey Hulk, I said uh I I I I could get you guys in Montreal in the building, but I said uh I just I'm gonna do it just in one condition, then I get a match with you. You know, that was my that was all I wanted to do was work with all gold in one time in my life, and uh and and and then he says, Well, how can you do that? He says, Vince has exclusivity in the building. I said, Yeah, but I said, let me explain something to you. Because of Lidrois de la Charles de la Liberté du Quebec, which is a law in Quebec, no American could keep a Quebecer from renting a Quebec building. It's a political thing. There's a law against that, it's a law against that. They didn't they didn't know about that. And so I explained that to Eric Bischoff and to Hulk. So so with my lawyer, we got the we had them drop the exclusivity, and I had them come to Montreal, so Eric Bischoff was very happy to come in and give a shot to Vince. And uh, but they had to give me my match with Hulk. But what no one expected, me included, is Hulk wanted to put me over that night. And then and then I I didn't expect that. And uh, so that was amazing. So so uh so yeah, so that that's how we came across. But the thing is, is him being in the NWO at the time, the the biggest character is a heel that he had, and he was over like a million bucks with the Razor Ramon and Diesel, and uh uh they had this NWO thing going. The fact that he dropped uh one, two, three in the middle of the ring with no gimmick or no nothing, just a clean pinfall, uh that got a lot of heat with me and Eric Bischoff. Like, you know, because uh because of internet and stuff, I've got to start getting out a little bit, like you know, like uh Hulk dropped the pinfall on me. So, so so uh let's just say I didn't fall into the good graces of Eric Bischoff after that. So uh so we were paid uh to be in the territory, but we wouldn't work. We we worked a couple of matches on TV, but and then we'd never win, Carl and I. We'd put the Harlem Heat over, we'd put the uh all the teams over, like you know, and uh and then we didn't have no future, so so finally we ended up staying at home and being paid because we're under contract, like many of the wrestlers in those days were under contract, just not to be so convinced can't have them. Like, you know, Eric Bischoff signed a lot of talent just to get a hold of them.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:08

I think Lanny Poffo was one of them that was under contract and never never even stepped in a ring.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he made six figures a year and never had to work. I want that, I want that deal.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:20

Yeah, yeah, me too. I kind of left that deal because especially after be doing jobs a couple of times, and you know, it's like, hey, I'd rather stay home and keep my merchant value, you know, than then than than being paid than going on TV and getting beat, uh, you know, so so and not having a future, no storylines or no nothing. So but it's so funny because I'm doing a show now on TKN Network. It's something that I suggest you strongly to take a look at. I'm I'm uh I'm in it's it's all it's all different uh legends from different eras, like uh baseball, football, uh movie stars. Uh all that when we were growing up, we're on this game right now on TKN Network, and it's uh it's a game with questions and stuff like that, and uh and you get eliminated, and there's a trip to Greece and all that. It's really good. Go check it out, TKN Network, it's fun. Uh and uh a couple of the wrestlers are on there. Uh Jake the Snake's on there, Million Dollar Man, uh Jesse the Body Ventura. There's a couple of wrestlers on there. But there's also Lou Farino, like you know, the incredible Holler, also uh Stephen King, the writer, you know, the horror book writer, uh Stephen King with his movies. There's there's uh all kinds of NBA uh Hall of Famers, uh you know, Football Hall of Famers, uh Jim McMahon, uh all kinds of celebrities from different eras. It's called the Celebrity Network, it's on every Saturday night at eight o'clock.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:39

Is that something available in the United States? So so Eric so say what is that something of it uh that is available here in the United States?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

Yeah, it's it's made on the United States. I mean it's making that. It's uh go on Celebrity Network on TKN, TKN network, and you'll see it. Go go look it out, it's good, it's fine. Yeah, we'll check it out. And and Eric and Eric Bischoff is on there. And so am I. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not just doing a plug here. I'm getting to a story where where Eric Bischoff and I, we may eventually meet on this show to compete against each other. But uh I also did a podcast with him because uh I did a podcast with him not long ago because uh I I have something really amazing that like you know, as you know, this Sunday, uh this uh this thing with the hollow uh the uh the tribute that we're having with AEW, but also on the 30th of July, uh I've never been a gamer, you know, like give people game today in our society. I don't game, I never game. But in this one a game here called Ghostmaster's Resurrection, which is in there since 2003. It's a really popular game. Uh I have a character coming out and on the 30th of July. I'm gonna be part of this in 22 different languages around the world, and it's gonna be the supernatural officer Jacques Rougeau. And my character, listen to this, the guy, the the the owner of this company, he probably loved the mounty because my suit looks just about like him. And my character is so fun because it has nothing to do with wrestling. So my character is, for example, let's say we're in the Bell Center and the Montreal Canadians are playing hockey, and then you have these Boston Bruins fans that come up to Montreal because it's a five-hour drive, and they buy the seats in the front row there, and they start booing the Montreal Canadians. So my character is in the game, I'm I'm I'm I'm almost like in jail, but they gotta free me. And if they free me, I go and I bully the the people that are not in our city, and then and I have all kinds of powers that uh to get them out of their seats. But I don't game, like I said, but but it's a very listen, it's on Xbox and then it's everywhere, and it's coming out on July 30th. It's called Ghostmaster's Resurrection. And I'm the supernatural officer Jean Fougeau. So anybody who gains, go check it out on the starting the 30th of July, and you can always write me after that and say, hey, you you you freed me, and I went to work for you, you know, because I worked for you after you free anymore. But anyway, that's that's something really nice happening that I'm happy with.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:17

Um during that I have a still a follow-up question back to Hogan, I'm sorry. Um I will look for that game, by the way. Um so back to Hogan, I I do have to say so. When you found out you were beating him, or during that moment, because I just watched that again before this interview, I watched the end of that match. Uh you rolled him up uh and uh the crowd reaction was just so enormous, and uh again, just like WrestleMania 3, it must have uh resonated for you uh so much. Um what did it feel like to you?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:55

It changed my life. It changed my life because you know there's clean a clean pinfall on Hulk. There's only five guys in 30 years that did it. And I'm the only Canadian to ever beat Hulk Hoven. So my notoriety just grew so big. And I had so much heat in the dressing room, so many guys, you know, that wanted to work with Hulk and had a chance to work with him, but never had a chance to beat him. And then they see this Jabroni, Jacques Rougeau, who's beating him. Like, you know, they're saying, like, what's going on here? Like, you know, so so uh so so that put a lot of heat on me with the boys, but with the people. The people, like you know, and I uh I've never stopped in the last 30 years. Every time I do a podcast or a promo, I always mention it. Hey, I'm the only Canadian to beat Hulk Hogan, so I used that many many, many times to give me to give me some notoriety. Yeah, you know, so so it was amazing. But you know, Hulk, we became really close before he died last year. I was at his funeral actually. And then and then the years before that, I was going to St. Karaoke and Tampa at his bar, and I used to have so much fun with him. And uh and uh and he'd he'd make me do signings in his stores in Orlando and in Tampa. He'd we we became close. And uh and he really liked me and and and he really, really liked me. Um because of Raymond and I, what we've brought to the business, the way we're always dress code, we're always on time, working hard, taking his spot at the end of the night, you know, because he had to leave early and we'd carry the show. And and he really gave Grain a lot of respect for us as workers and stuff, but there's something that added on top of that. Um when the incident with the Bulldogs happened, and and and I stood up for myself, um that created respect that was so enormous. And Jimmy Hart told me down the line. He says, you know, Jacques, he says, you were up against the world, and uh it was so it was uh and you and you did what a lot of guys wanted to do and didn't do. And then you know, so so there's a respect that that grew there. And I think personally, when I look back at this, and I think, you know, because the the Bulldogs would attack just about anybody, they they were afraid of nobody, they would rib anybody. And I think that Hulk somewhere was thinking that maybe his turn was coming soon, even though he was the big, big man. That the Bulldogs were caught up so much in their drugs and their their their own mind and they were gone, steroids and this and that. That that that that Hulk was always afraid in that moment, I guess, then they'd start ribbing him. And when I put an end to that, of that that that whole thing, that whole era of terror in the dressing room, I think Hulk must have felt relieve somewhere. And and so he grew that respect. And I think uh it was told by me by one or two persons that I'm not gonna mention any names, but that was one of the reasons why when he came to Montreal, he uh he put me over. It was like for him because in his own mind, I think he he believed that uh he wanted to say thank you, I guess, you know, for that. So uh but but uh yeah, Hulk for me is always gonna be the and and and you know sometimes I unfortunately I see some of the boys sometimes they discriminate them or they they talk bad about them, and I'm uh I'll never accept that. I'll bite anybody's head off who talks against Hulk Hogan because Hulk Hogan, because if wrestling is what wrestling is today, we're going back to WrestleMania 3. We're going back to to he created an error, he brought everybody in the industry of all sports entertainment to us in the business. You can't uh you can't uh bite the hand that that that feeds you today. You you can't do that, it's it's un unethical. And then and so so so Hulk for me, anybody who talks bad about Hulk better not talk to me very long because you know it's not it's not gonna last long a conversation.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:50

Yeah, I was a big uh Hulk Hogan fan. Oh yeah. Uh when we we were younger, you know, even now. I felt really bad when he passed away. So yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was it was unexpected. I just can't believe I live we live in a world where we don't have Hulk Hogan, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:05

It's just Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then uh and uh it would be like uh I think it's gonna be like that in the in the golf world, in the golf world when when Tiger Woods dies. Or or or you know, something like that, when uh some somebody who created something bigger than life for their sport. And then when they pass away, they're gonna bring back our youth, our memories, our our where we belong, when we were brought up to like you know, our reference on life. Right. You know, and they take that away from us, like you know, when they leave.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:36

It was our happy point, yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Um what was it like um when like okay, so when you went that you kind of went we're we're nearing the end of our interview, but I wanted to uh briefly talk about uh what I remember watching you and WCW with uh Karma Kwinette, and I remember watching you were the French amazing French Canadians, you were teamed with Robert Parker, uh Colonel Rob Parker or whatever, uh DC League. Yeah, how was how was working with him? We had I had him on a few years ago on my old show uh in an interview. He was really cool to interview. Um he has he has a lot of stories. Um how was working with him?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:22

Absolutely amazing. Um I I love Robert, the bottom of my heart, because like I said, my my first heavyweight championship belt against Joel Leduc was in his territory. Yeah, and uh and I worked a couple of years for him in Pensacola, Florida. I had my place on the beach in Pensacola, it was short trip territory, a beautiful woman on the beach, going to the gym and working with guys that were fun to work with, and uh and I was riding with uh Robert in the van, and he uh he taught me the booking part of the business because he was the booker. And and and so so he would go through storylines, and once in a while I'd put in my two cents, like you know, oh what what if you did this? Like, or what if you what if you did this? And well, that's good, Jock. I like that, Jock. I like that, Jock. And I grew up to be his assistant booker almost, like you know, uh after a year and a half. And uh so so I grew a lot in the business. I matured a lot in the business in an era that I wasn't familiar with, like you know, uh booking and stuff like that. So uh he was he was a friend of mine. Uh in the daytime, I'd go play ping pong with him, I'd play pool with him, like you know, I became a good friend with him. And uh and uh still still so uh I I I I go to Florida now once in a while, and I stop by his house, I go see him, and when I meet him in Comic Con, I feel like when we meet, we're so happy, we give ourselves a hug, and we're we have this thing that that that we were he helped me, and uh and and you know when someone in the business helps you like that, you know, you never forget it. Right. Uh because uh so so uh so yeah, my heart goes out to Robert Fuller. He uh he's a great man, uh great person, and uh uh even Ron, you know, Ron, I was not as close as as brother Ron, but great respect for him. Because, you know, Robert and Ron, when they used to work the territories together, they would one would book, and when one would book, the other one would disappear, and then the other one would come, and then the other one would disappear. So they had this brotherly thing here, like you know, who's gonna do the best in the territory? And so so I was always with Robert. So, but it's funny because after a few years that then we did good business, you know, even Rob Ron wasn't there when I was working with Robert, I drew some good houses with Joel LeDucan. So I put money in his pockets too, you know, even if he wasn't there because he had was part owner of the business. So so so he he grew uh fonder of me. And and now we know I'm friends Facebook with him. I I meet with him sometimes, you know, on uh Comic Cons, and and Ron loves me to death. We've never been friends, friends, but he loves me to death. Hey Jock, you know, you come to Mexico at the town. But now you stop by and see me, Jock. Stop by and see me, you know. So but but uh we got uh I got great respect for Ron also. What a great family! And there's it's it's a you know what? It's a horrible shame that the Welches, the Fullers are not in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:17

I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:18

You know, you're talking about the father, the grandfather, you're talking about generations of wrestling. And then but but who you'll find in the Hall of Fame? Donald Trump, or uh, or you'll find uh I could go on and on some people that you know you know it's it's incredible the Welches, you know, Robert Welch and Ron Welch, you know, it's incredible that they're not in the Hall of Fame. And like I'm I'm thinking of the the the Von Eriks, I'm thinking of the the the there's so many families that have built, you know, you can I always said to people, you can have the greatest house on the top of a mountain, the most beautiful view, the most beautiful everything. But if your house doesn't have a great foundation, your house is gonna crumble. And those that foundation of wrestling, you know, you can't forget. And yeah, and you gotta honor. And and Robert Fuller and Ron Fuller are definitely part of that.

unknown 1:18:16

Definitely.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:17

So earlier you mentioned your sons are breaking into the industry. What's that like now trying to have the fourth generation of rougeaux?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:25

Not trying, they worked for 20 years for me up in Quebec. Oh, yeah. They actually they all retired now because uh wow uh yeah, yeah, they all retired, they're all doing something else. So funny because my last match I had with them was in before COVID. And uh and and uh I was with my three sons in the ring, and uh and after the match, it'd been 20 years since they worked for that. I was working in my organization, and uh and they were at my wrestling school, and we did so well and so much fun together. And and they came up to me all three at the same time, and they said they said to me, they they they made a meeting, a special meeting, and they said, Dad, for 20 years now we've been living your dream, but it's not ours. And then and so so so I said, Okay. I said uh okay, that was a hard shot, but I said uh but I said at least give me a last match. So we have together me and my three sons. So there was 11,000 people in my last match, and it was sold out the arena, 11,000 people, and we had a match with my three sons.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:25

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:25

And uh and then from then on, you know, they never did wrestling, so I went on to do more things with wrestling, uh wrestling academy, and all kinds of things. And one of my son, my youngest one, he's a referee. He referees for me and my soul, so he's still around. But uh, but but finished wrestling. He no more wrestling for my three sons. But they wrestled for 20 years for him. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:47

Does your do your brothers have uh sons or anybody that wrestles?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:51

Yeah, my brother, my brother Raymond has a son, he's absolutely amazing. He's uh he's a pilot for Air Transact. But I mean he's a the captain, the pilot. He goes on the the flights to Europe, the big Boeings and the big, and he's the he's the big man on the flight. He he arrives and he's got a co-pilot and he's got the crew, but you know, he's he's amazing. His son, he's he did very well in that uh discipline because Raymond always had a plane when he was young, and uh and he showed him how to fly little private planes, Cessnas and stuff like that, and he grew into it and finally became a commander in an Air Transact. You know, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you, it's the big thing, the big deal. And you know, my brother Raymond's the mayor of his city now, you know. Yeah, Raymond's the mayor, he's done his second term. He's uh he's the bright one between us. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Rougeon name lives. Like, you know, uh different eras, but uh, we're still going on strong in Quebec, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:48

Um when it's all said and done, how how would you want all your fans to remember you?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:54

Like they do today, just my characters that I did, my uh my dedication to the business, the dedication of the Rougeot family, four generations, eighty years of wrestling we gave. I want them to remember, I want them to remember me as a person at any time of their life. They came up to me and they asked me for an autograph or a picture, and I was always smiling to them, and I was always happy to meet them. I was never rude to a fan, I was always nice to them. I want to remember the class that the Rougeau family had. From all my great my great uncle to my father, my uncle, we were always so kind to our fans. And and that's what I think I'd want the fans to just remember, and I think they know. I think they know. Just today, to give you an example, I got a call. It's so funny. Yesterday, about six hours from now in Quebec, six hours away from where I'm at, there's a guy doing a uh not a contest, but uh he organized uh from one city to another, 78 kilometers, they're gonna be swimming, and and they're raising money to uh and that foundation is to uh to give the kids uh tools to learn to ask for help if they need help in life. And then and so I did a video for that for them today. They asked me to do that, but I do that like 20 times, 30 times a year. I have organizations that they call me, they ask me for this, and they ask me for that, and I'm always there, I've always been there. And then so so the fans will never forget us here in Quebec. But as far as worldwide, because we haven't had any visibility worldwide, um, I I I would like to remember us as hard workers, great entertainers, and uh and just people who like what we did in life. Well, we we we represented wrestling because we loved it and we honored it, and uh we were proud of who we were. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:49

I I could see you as a stand-up guy and uh guy who would give the shirt off your back, you know. Uh that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:57

I always my you know, my best friend in life, you know, unfortunately is the worst enemy of many, but my best friend in life is Carmel. And uh and and and uh and and he's my best friend in life. You know, I I have so much help from different people everywhere all the time now. It's amazing. Like it just people help me for even my house. I just bought a little house on the river now, and uh, and uh one guy called me up, he says, Hey Jacques, I closed my shop with my wooden floors. I said, I got a whole wooden floor to give you. And I said, Okay, I'll take it. But I got people helping me from left and right. I organize tournaments. Like I have a like like next spring, I know it's far for you guys, but for me it's a lot of organization. Next May, I have May 15th next year. I have a wrestling event, which is called the reunion of Jacques Rougeau's wrestling academy, which it's a wrestling academy I did for three years in the last three years. Brought in all the best talent from Canada, paid the flights, the hotels, and got $10,000 gifts for four winners. And it was a contest, and and uh they spend the month at QT Marshall uh Nightmare Factory and uh sent them to Mexico to train. And I've been organizing this, and so I'm having my reunion next May, uh May 15th, for all the best talent that came in the last three years, and it's gonna be in 2027. But I started it in 1977 for Stuart, so it's gonna be my golden year next year. 50 years in the business. How many people you know that's all people know that live their passion for 50 years, huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:24:31

It's amazing, yeah. That is amazing. Where is that gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:35

That's gonna be in Montreal. Montreal at Leonardo da Vinci Center. If you follow me on Facebook, you'll see. And uh you'll you'll you'll see it's uh you keep you if anybody who's a friend of me on Facebook, because I'm I'm not on Instagram and all the the real big ones. I'm on Facebook, I'm an old-timer, and uh, I don't know, I'm an old-fashioned one, but I have my friends. I always answer my friends. If you write to me on Facebook, I'll answer you, I'll talk to you. And uh, you know we talked on Facebook and on Messenger. And uh so so so um so if you follow me on Facebook, it's a public uh Facebook. So just go and see Jacques Rougeot and me and my girlfriend. You'll see us, the picture of me and my girlfriend, and uh you'll see all the promotional things that I'm doing. And uh and Leonardo da Vinci Center next May 15th is gonna be my golden show, my golden year show. Yeah, very nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:24

All right, bring it on home, John.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:26

All right, we're gonna bring it on home here because we have what we call, because it's double axe handle smash, and you know the name of the show is because of the move up the top rope, right? Double axe handle smash. All right. I think I've seen you do that before, the second rope or top rope. I know Randy Savage did it too. Uh but uh this is called the Rapid Fire Smash. So we're gonna ask you questions, you just answer the questions uh however you uh see. You could do uh one or two sentences, you could do a couple words, whatever you want.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:02

All right, so I'm starting off. What was your least favorite finish to take?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:10

The Road Warriors clothesline off the top rope. Okay. How was that, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:16

That was my least favorite movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:19

But but how do you how do you prepare to bump for something like that?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:22

I mean, uh You don't prepare, you just you just pray and you hope when it happens.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:28

Um Best Road companion. I think I've already asked you that.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:32

So I'm my brother Raymond.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:35

Yeah. Okay. All right, your favorite arena to work in.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:41

What there's so many good places, you know, so many good places. I I you know, uh politically correct, I'll say the Montreal Forum. But if I'm but if I'm going to go away from my home, I I I enjoyed uh I enjoyed uh Beth Sea in Paris and France a lot. I enjoyed uh I I enjoyed uh Sacramento with the Cow Palace. I enjoyed uh I enjoyed Madison Square Gardens. I enjoyed uh Boston Gardens. I enjoyed uh there's so many, I can tell you, because we had so many great matches, you know, and it's always a you know the the place is only as good as the matches you had. Okay because you know uh if you uh so if you have a great match, you have great fans. And so so so there's so many places. I couldn't I couldn't pick one, to be honest with you.

unknown 1:27:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:34

Uh if you were stranded on a deserted island with three wrestlers besides your brothers, uh what who would they be? And who would they be?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:46

I would have to say uh Tiro Santana, I would have to say Jimmy Hart, I would have to say uh Robert Fuller.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:55

That's good. All right. So if you could team with anyone from Any era, who would it be? Where would you work? And would you be faces or heels?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

I would tag with my brother Raymond. I would work in the WWF. And uh and what was the last question?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:16

Would you be faces or heels?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:19

I'd be heels. Did you prefer to work as a heel? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know what? I held a grudge against the American fans for so long because we worked for two years to try to get over and they gave us a hard time. So when we turned heel, boy, did I let it out. Boy did I did I have fun pissing you guys off. Boy, that was that was amazing. That came really natural.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:50

Jacques, are aliens real?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

Aliens real?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:55

Yeah. UFOs aliens.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:59

I believe so. Yeah. I believe so. If we're here, there's got to be somewhere else where there's something, right? That's the way I look at it. Alright. I uh there's gotta be another species somewhere, somewhere else. Is that what you mean by aliens? Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:11

Yeah, not illegal ones. Yep. So is Bigfoot real?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:18

Uh if if you if you get Andre the Giant's foot in your face when you come in off the ropes, I'd say yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:27

That's probably the best one, yeah. That's the answer. Um what is your what do you think the best Indiana Jones movie is? Have you ever seen one of those?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:40

Oh, yeah, I love them. Harrison Ford. Yeah. Oh, I love them. You know, I I I I I can't remember exactly the titles, but for me they were always in the pyramids and the sand quicks and the yeah, I can't remember the titles, but I think that's a good one. Okay, that would be Raiders. Yeah, Raiders of Lost Arts.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:58

Yeah, yeah, that's the first one.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:00

Yeah, yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:02

Okay. Who is the best James Bond?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:07

I'm gonna go with uh Roger Moore. I always enjoyed I always enjoyed Roger Moore, but I also liked uh the uh another one too in the late years lately that came the in the Sean Connery was okay, but but I like the one uh the what's the shorter one that's been the last few years?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:25

Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:28

Yeah, yeah. I kind of like him.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:32

Alright, now this question, according to this guy, there's a right answer.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:37

There is a right answer to this final question.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:42

Does pineapple belong on a pizza?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:46

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:51

I knew he'd get that right.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:03

One more for the bad guys, I guess. I guess that might make you. I guess it makes you a heel.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:12

You're a heel!

SPEAKER_07 1:31:15

Um yeah, so that will do it for us. Before we leave, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:20

Before we leave, can I just uh send a message out to my the fans? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:24

Oh, absolutely, please do. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:26

Yeah, yeah. Just just a huge, big, big, huge thank you for everything you've done for us, for for hating us the way you did and for for making uh making the matches awesome. Because you know, you know, when you're in a tag team match, a lot of people think, you know, it takes four to tank to make a great match, but it doesn't. It takes six to make a great match. You have to have four wrestlers, one great referee, and one great crowd. And if you have all those together, then you you create a masterpiece. And I want to thank everybody that was there to create all those nights of fun that we had. That was amazing. It was thanks to you guys, the fans that uh hated us so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:12

On that, you can't even do any we can't do any better than that. Nope. For Johnny O and Josh O. So long, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:27

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